Episode 45

Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:43 am

Yep. Things are going slowly but steady. I need to alot more time for each comic now. Coloring really adds a lot to the time it takes to finish a page. Anyway, comment away if you wish.<P>------------------
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Postby POnju on Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:32 am

gaaah... coloring does take a long time, but the results are worth it. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>mmm question... that second phrase about Tristan, "and he is engaged to princess Eve, Heiress to the throne. He'd be king if you are able to defeat me." mmm not sure I understood that ... should it be "He'd be king if he were able to defeat me"? gaaah... mebbe I'm being stoopid again.. 8P<P>nice page though, and I like the character designs! <P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:47 am

Hi Henry.<P>Okay maybe I need to explain a bit. First off, the statement is correct. And by "you" I mean "all of you" meaning all of them, the Lovarian Dragonslayers.<P>This scene is the last days of the ursurper Vecharon (Desideratus's father). The LD were able to break into the Royal Palace but they can't find Vecharon anywhere so they split up.<P>Vecharon has killed the King and the heir prince. The princess Eve managed to survive. She is engaged to Tristan. If the King Vecharon is overthrown, the rightful king and queen would then be Tristan and Eve.<P>Actually, Tristan is now the current King of Lovaria. Abdiel is now the Patriarch of the Church (equivalent to a Pope) in Syrunesia, Eastly is the Sorcerer-King of Gemenasia, and Comynn is now Count of Comynn County (he named the land after himself) and is Supreme Warder. Desideratus is of course the Count of Quellara (once only a small town) and father of Lili. Obviously, the LD won the day, eh? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">
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Postby POnju on Mon Dec 17, 2001 7:56 am

ah yes, buffer pages - I've heard of that mythic animal - right up there with the Lochness Monster and bigfoot. I've always thought about doing some... mmm, never actually did too well in the doing part... 8P<P>ah - I see now - mmm - reading the previous pages makes it a bit more obvious... thanks for the fill-in! 8P<P>------------------
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Postby K_Kuros on Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:30 am

A few comments, on the last two episodes. At first when I saw it I thought Helix was the one being spoken to in a dream. The artwork was very similar in ways, outside of the scar, but dreams are never an accurate representation of what a person looks like anyway.<P>In regards to Helix, since this is on the topic, color me purple, but for some reason the image of Helix as a ruler ousted by folk who were striving to gain the panlicha(forgive spelling) seems just so .... so fitting in ways. That or a mage, its obvious there is more to him than meets the eye.<P>That's the reason why the start of the chapter threw me for a curveball as he looks so much like Desideratus one could almost think he's related to him.<P>Its good to see back events, but the fact that you jumped from the future to the past without any warning ... I thought it was Helix at first, until I started reading the strip itself.<P>Overall, very good, very lush artwork. Very good story.<P>
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Postby Lordgeejay on Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pOnju:
<B>ah yes, buffer pages - I've heard of that mythic animal - right up there with the Lochness Monster and bigfoot. I've always thought about doing some... mmm, never actually did too well in the doing part... 8P
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don't we all. My fiancee doesn't believe me when I told her that that's what I'm going to do this Chirstmas vacation. I wanted to to do it for so long but always not being able to.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
ah - I see now - mmm - reading the previous pages makes it a bit more obvious... thanks for the fill-in! 8P
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Postby Lordgeejay on Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by K_Kuros:
<B>A few comments, on the last two episodes. At first when I saw it I thought Helix was the one being spoken to in a dream. The artwork was very similar in ways, outside of the scar, but dreams are never an accurate representation of what a person looks like anyway.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Okay. First, pardon my art. Helix and Desideratus are not meant to be lookalikes but my art is still limited right now that it is difficult for me to draw more than 3 handsome faces that don't look alike. So I had to resort to scars and hairstyles and color to differentiate them in the meantime. But hopefully in the future, I can better make them look dissimilar.<P>Next, I should put in Chapter breaks in between two chapters like a one-page art saying this is Chapter 3 just like in Manga Graphic novels. But I don't. I only do this once a week so I don't want to keep the readers waiting for another week just because I placed in a Chapter 3 break page. <P>I know I could have done the break page AND the 1st page of chapter 3 but that would have mean more work for me. When I get buffer pages (yeah right), I'll probably insert chapter break pages to give the readers the confirmation that the end of one chapter does not flow into the next chapter.<P>It's like when you are watching a TV show. In between commercials, the setting can suddenly change. The only problem is that I don't have commericals in between those scene changes. I have to probably work on that.<P>Or maybe the whole problem just happened because Desideratus and Helix looks alike. Ugh. It's what I was afraid of. But I hope the dialog explained what was going on.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
In regards to Helix, since this is on the topic, color me purple, but for some reason the image of Helix as a ruler ousted by folk who were striving to gain the panlicha(forgive spelling) seems just so .... so fitting in ways. That or a mage, its obvious there is more to him than meets the eye.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ah. The mysterious Helix. The problem with keeping secret a character's origin is that when it is finally revealed, the real origin might not live to the readers' expectations. To avoid this, I'll be hinting at his origins along the way so there won't be one big bang. This will hopefully prepare readers for his true origins. Will be doing this to all the main characters as well actually.<P>Nice idea though. Who knows? You may actually be right? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
That's the reason why the start of the chapter threw me for a curveball as he looks so much like Desideratus one could almost think he's related to him.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No. They are not related. Sorry about that similarity thing. Wish I was a better artist.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Its good to see back events, but the fact that you jumped from the future to the past without any warning ... I thought it was Helix at first, until I started reading the strip itself.<P>Overall, very good, very lush artwork. Very
good story.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well like I said. Maybe I should put in transitional chapter break pages but that would have been a waste of a week's worth of comic page. I wonder if there is another way to do it... I have an idea! I'll go do it later when I go home. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"><P>Thanks for the great feedback and the compliments. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>
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Postby Greek Amazon13 on Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:42 am

Erg! SCUM! You can CG! *Hates having to cg things, but loves the look of it*<P>Anyway..........
I can't wait to see what happens.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It's like when you are watching a TV show. In between commercials, the setting can suddenly change. The only problem is that I don't have commericals in between those scene changes. I have to probably work on that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>OOH! You <I>could</I> have commercials! You could advertise for shops around Lorvia!
"Get the best weaponry at Bob's!"<P>...Uh... Or not.<P>Seriously though, I reccomend title pages for each chapter. They don't have to have anything to do with the chapter, really.
I'm just starting my manga, and that's what I've got. Title pages; sometimes they're a pain to draw, but I think they're worth it.<P>--Maureen<p>[This message has been edited by Greek Amazon13 (edited 12-18-2001).]
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Postby Dedos on Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:27 am

Yah! VERY Cool stuff, GJ.. the colors are nothing less than fantastic. Y'all are making me think about my switch to a gray wash... hmmm....<P>I really like the wizard battle scene.. the poses, the expressions... Good job!!<P><P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:44 am

Hi Chris! Thanks for the compliments! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> I'm just glad that people appreciate the extra effort I put in coloring the pages. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby Lordgeejay on Tue Dec 18, 2001 8:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greek Amazon13:
<B>Erg! SCUM! You can CG! *Hates having to cg things, but loves the look of it*
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Uh, thanks I guess. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> Well, I wasn't very confident with my CG coloring skill. In fact I'm sure there are a lot out there who is better than me at it. I'm still working on it but don't expect a type of coloring that makes everything seem to be metallic 3d objects ok? My style of coloring is more the flat cel-type type.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Anyway..........
I can't wait to see what happens.<P> OOH! You <I>could</I> have commercials! You could advertise for shops around Lorvia!
"Get the best weaponry at Bob's!"<P>...Uh... Or not.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmmm. Interesting idea there. But if ever I do something like that, it would be something extra instead of a replacement for the due comic page. Thanks for the idea. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Seriously though, I reccomend title pages for each chapter. They don't have to have anything to do with the chapter, really.
I'm just starting my manga, and that's what I've got. Title pages; sometimes they're a pain to draw, but I think they're worth it.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, that's what I was planning to do last night but it was one of those mythical bad-art days for me and I can't draw anything but crap. So I just resorted to a simple Chapter header for the beginning of Chapters 1, 2 and 3 in the meantime while I work on the Chapter title pages. I already have the idea in my mind but can't commit them to paper last night. Agghhhh!<P>Hopefully, tonight my hand will be more responsive to my wishes. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> Thanks for the comments and feedback Maureen.<P>------------------
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Postby K_Kuros on Wed Dec 19, 2001 5:22 am

As far as the art mixup, it happens, and you're trying to fix it. You've definitely improved on your art from the first strip(and from your stuff in the Elfwood gallery). Can't pinpoint just HOW, but you have improved.<P>As to the POV switch, that's ALWAYS a bear, be it in comics OR writing. As I'm a writer of sorts I know what its like. Still threw me for a curveball despite my knowing what its like.<P>Its good that I gave you some ideas anyway. I consider my comments to be worthwhile if they make the artist/author think. Even if they dont agree with my comments, it still makes them think things through.<P>In regards to Helix, the name Helixus, it seems a tad strange. It has an almost roman sound to it, but Helixious would seem more fitting in this case. Yes, I know, nitpicking, but still, good to know people's thoughts, even if you don't agree.<P>The wizard's battle, yes, that definitely had a cool factor about it. Up close and personal, something you dont normally think of wizard battles as being. Made it more dramatic and fitting that way.<P>I know, I'm rambling. So sue me.<P>Glad to see that you read these forums regularly at the very least.
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Postby Lordgeejay on Wed Dec 19, 2001 8:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by K_Kuros:
<B>As far as the art mixup, it happens, and you're trying to fix it. You've definitely improved on your art from the first strip(and from your stuff in the Elfwood gallery). Can't pinpoint just HOW, but you have improved.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah. Thanks. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> I look at it and everytime I look at the old art I shiver with disgust. I really want to replace the old pages but that would be too much work. Ugh.<P>Also, the more I want to make the faces different on each person, the more I need to let go of the anime-ish style of art though. The anime-style is very simple and you can only do a few variations on it. Take a look at Evangelion. Almost everybody looks a like. Only the hair differs. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
As to the POV switch, that's ALWAYS a bear, be it in comics OR writing. As I'm a writer of sorts I know what its like. Still threw me for a curveball despite my knowing what its like.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Definitely.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Its good that I gave you some ideas anyway. I consider my comments to be worthwhile if they make the artist/author think. Even if they dont agree with my comments, it still makes them think things through.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh I'm always receptive of feedback. I use what I like and discard what I don't. Sometimes, these new ideas influence the way I was originally planning on doing something in the comic too. That's why it is good to have feedback. For self improvement.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
In regards to Helix, the name Helixus, it seems a tad strange. It has an almost roman sound to it, but Helixious would seem more fitting in this case. Yes, I know, nitpicking, but still, good to know people's thoughts, even if you don't agree.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes. It is strange but intentional. Helixious does read better actually. Too bad it is too late to change the name now. In any case, it is fantasy. The names does not need to have been used in the real world. So that's my excuse at least. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
The wizard's battle, yes, that definitely had a cool factor about it. Up close and personal, something you dont normally think of wizard battles as being. Made it more dramatic and fitting that way.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maybe it may have something to do with the fact that they've used up their heavy hitter spells. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> And they don't really want to hurt each other too much with them being "friends" and all. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>I just remember that Eastly used the Black Tentacles spell to basically disable Desideratus. He can't cast any spells because he is bound by the tentacles.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
I know, I'm rambling. So sue me.<P>Glad to see that you read these forums regularly at the very least.
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Postby K_Kuros on Thu Dec 20, 2001 4:55 am

Would love to move this to private email for further thoughts on improving your art style but since you dont appear to have one listed ((which is both good and bad)) I have to list the ideas here.<P>I'm no artist, but I do have an eye for art, I've got two or three artist friends who send me their pictures to give comments on them. A few ways to maintain the anime style and still be different. Mind you, just my ideas of course, take them with a grain of salt due to my lack of real knowledge of HOW to draw. Not indicating you can't draw, but giving ideas on how to add more variety to the faces.<P>First off, the shape of the face itself changes the whole way people think of them. Smoothly shaped faces often seem to indicate innocence, while rough and blocky faces indicate a more rugged person. The shape alone can do wonders to change the look, that or the placement and size of the features on the face. These are all "simple" things that still allow for an anime style feel.<P>Wrinkles is another thing, and trust me, a person can have wrinkles under age 25. I should know, I have them. They're commonly called concentration wrinkles I believe. That also can change the look of the character.<P>The color of their eyes, or where they usually seem to focus can change things immensely, that or size. Deep set eyes(like mine) can indicate mystery or danger. Eyes that focus toward the nose can indicate a person who is rather stark, that or someone who reads a lot.<P>Style of hair of course is the easiest way to show differences. Swept back or short can often indicate neatness or youth. Long and wild can either indicate bravado or someone who is a rebel.<P>As to most anime series, well by and large the majority of the characters in them are of Japanese origins, so there is a far more limited "facial" variance. That's why they often look too similar.<P>Just a variety of thoughts from a casual art critic. Not that I've ever actually looked at a strip of yours and said "this is good, that is bad, this could be better." I try not to do that with webcomics. Now if I'm sent a picture, I'll give it the thorough treatment of course.<P>Hope these ideas help in ways.<P>
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Postby Lordgeejay on Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:31 am

Hi Kuros.<P>I'm already familiar with the ideas you just mentioned but sometimes I just need to hear it again from somebody. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> Thanks.<P>I'm really trying to apply the variances but keep forgetting at one point. Hehehe. My fault.<P>------------------
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Postby Watchman on Thu Jan 03, 2002 3:46 am

In my not-so-humble opinion you'd actually get better results by utilizing the aforementioned techniques...without them having actually anything to do with what the character actually *is* like. Smoke and mirrors and all that, and I personally dislike being able to discern too much of a character by his/her looks ("good guys have big round eyes, villains have small squinty ones"
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Postby Lordgeejay on Thu Jan 03, 2002 4:40 am

Yo Watchman!<P>I haven't actually thought of applying stereotype physical features on characters I draw. Look at Sarren.. he can be a nice guy right? Look at Helix... he can be a villain. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>Anyway, I haven't personally read Watchmen yet. I know it is very very good but I can't find it anywhere. Arghhhh! I'm also looking for From Hell (I'm not sure of the exact title-- you know the one that was made into a movie recently).<P>Right now I just read the Ultimate Spiderman, Ult. Xmen and Powers. And also Battle Chasers whenever (or IF) it comes out. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby Watchman on Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Look at Sarren.. he can be a nice guy right? Look at Helix... he can be a villain.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Naww. Sarren's got that certain squinty, frowny look in his eyes and Helix doesn't - and look which one of them has the "villainous puppetmaster" act going ?
Not that Helix didn't look like he knows quite a bit more than he lets out, mind you...<P>Haven't found <I>Watchmen</I> ? That sucks. It's like, I dunno, the <I>Doctor Strangelove</I> of superhero comics. Sell your grandmother if that's what it takes to obtain a copy.
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Postby Lordgeejay on Sat Jan 05, 2002 8:10 am

Hehehe. Yeah. Helix isn't that complicated really. I just need to tell the story faster I guess. It just can't be helped at present though. Once I'm comfortable at doing full color pages, I may go to 2x a week and hopefully the story will progress faster then.<P>As for the watchman, i'm still on the lookout for that.<P>------------------
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