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Pennyangelos · Post by **Pennyangelos** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>All of these statements are true, but are all also irrelevant, if people could and did do only as they please, (much
like Alison does) most of them will not take Alison's high road of moral discipline and will instead indulge every whim
that comes to mind, compounded by the short attention span issues that already exist in the culture, many if not
most people will at some point start a novel but lose interest in after a short time, and even the best novel needs
to have SOME editing and proofreading done. Therefore the world would be awash with unfinished bad novels, most
of them probably whining tracts about how no one cares about the author and the cold unfeeling world they inhabit
with lots of gratuitous sex thrown in for flavor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Er, heh, I think you misunderstood . . . I've been causing a lot of trouble arguing lately, and so I promised myself I'd stay out of this one. I was only stating bare facts, nothing to do with the rest of the discussion. Sorry.

Wish · Post by **Wish** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:20 am

Wow.. start out with Alisin's faithfulness to Rikk and end up at Communism. That's some major subject creep! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">-Wish
It's just a red herring, you know.

Schol-R-LEA · Post by **Schol-R-LEA** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Khavren:

All of these statements are true, but are all also irrelevant, if people could and did do only as they please, (much like Alison does) most of them will not take Alison's high road of moral discipline and will instead indulge every whim that comes to mind, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Interstingly, you've just described the main philosophical point of what Kerry Thornely called <a href="http://www.skylined.org/luke/books/Zena ... chy</a>: 1) If individuals are not self-governing, then only through force can the society be governed,
2) No amount of force is sufficient to bring about universal compliance, thus no society based on force can ever truly achieve stability,
3) Individuals who are self-governing not only do not need but cannot be coerced by organized force,
4) Therefore, the only way to achieve a stable society is for all individuals to be self-governing.Thornely's own words were,

ZEN is Meditation. ARCHY is Social Order. ZENARCHY is the Social Order which springs from Meditation.
As a doctrine, it holds Universal Enlightenment a prerequisite to abolition of the State, after which the State will inevitably vanish. Or - that failing - nobody will give a damn.
Of course, Thornely did not live up to his own standards, by any stretch of the imagination, and neither do I. He was also - pardon my french - bat-shit crazy, which is another quality I share with him. He was full of bullshit, but, as he himself would often point out, bullshit makes flowers grow. Make of these things what you will.Do You Believe That? ™Do You Believe That? is a Traditional Mokery of the Discordian Society and related heresies. All Rites Reversed.------------------
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Judy · Post by **Judy** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 8:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jarnor23:
...the society thrives due to people doing their calling rather than mindless labor for the positions that are currently popular in the job market.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Leaving the world awash in unfinished bad novels?(Apologies to the many struggling writers in this forum!)Judy

Pennyangelos · Post by **Pennyangelos** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 9:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Leaving the world awash in unfinished bad novels?
(Apologies to the many struggling writers in this forum!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not all unfinished novels are bad.Not all bad novels are unfinished.Not all struggling writers are struggling because their novels are bad and/or unfinished.

Khavren · Post by **Khavren** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 10:09 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by pennyangelos:
 Not all unfinished novels are bad.Not all bad novels are unfinished.Not all struggling writers are struggling because their novels are bad and/or unfinished.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
All of these statements are true, but are all also irrelevant, if people could and did do only as they please, (much like Alison does) most of them will not take Alison's high road of moral discipline and will instead indulge every whim that comes to mind, compounded by the short attention span issues that already exist in the culture, many if not most people will at some point start a novel but lose interest in after a short time, and even the best novel needs to have SOME editing and proofreading done. Therefore the world would be awash with unfinished bad novels, most of them probably whining tracts about how no one cares about the author and the cold unfeeling world they inhabit with lots of gratuitous sex thrown in for flavor.[This message has been edited by Khavren (edited 12-18-2001).]

Manticoraus · Post by **Manticoraus** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 11:27 am

I beleive they are called...comic books
sorry I've in the past year rererereawakened to the joy of comic books...but still I easily class them all together and give them a grade point average of phi. A class of good/bad all their own/borrowed of/from themselves/anything....and with lots of sex thrown in.

Lucy the Destroyer · Post by **Lucy the Destroyer** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 12:09 pm

Aha! The mutant thread roams back to something fandom-related!While I can't speak for the vast majority of comics, I can only assume that you haven't read Neil Gaiman...

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 12:36 pm

Yeah, comics continue to get better and better, as more great authors continue to infect the collective consciousness. I mean, Marvel no longer follows the comic's code, and Grant Morrison is writing their flahship comic, for God's sake.We've now got people like Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, and Terry Moore running around. There still are more crappy comics than not, but this sort of evolution takes time. If things continue as they do, I think that in a few years or so, super-hero comics won't outnumber all the other kinds put together, and those super-hero comics left will in general be of a much better quality.

Khavren · Post by **Khavren** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 12:51 pm

Don't forget Warren Ellis who continues to create bizarre little concepts then abandon them for others to raise or pervert as they please.....