No offense PDI...

Postby Vulpix on Thu Apr 05, 2001 6:40 am

Am I the only one who thinks that you're drawing for the "sake of drawing" pictures for your stories? Your characters looks so lifeless, they look just like pictures, without the expressions... Maybe because it's the way you draw? Anyway, I guess it's just me again.
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Postby PDI on Thu Apr 05, 2001 8:09 am

Yes. It is.<P>As the writer, not the artist, I do take offense. <P>How often do you post "good job" messages?<P>Dammit, you just pissed me off for the day.<P>------------------
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Postby Talbon on Thu Apr 05, 2001 9:53 am

Okay couple of things Vulpix, as the artist of PDI. I do take offense, here's why.<P>First, you posted this in Matt's forum, either you lack the intelligence or guts to post it in PDI's forum where it might be valid.<P>Second, you don't offer critque or what might change, you make a statement, don't back it up then shrug it off with 'maybe it's me' <P>To which the answer is, yes, it's you. Get a clue please. Not everyone will draw like you like. Just because your incapable of getting it doesn't mean it's lifeless or invalid. It's just you.<P>So in closing, in the future, you feel the need to attack my art. Post it in the PDI forum okay?<P>Anthony, annoyed at little gits who want to whine about a free service instead of going out and creating what they want to see. See lazy whining punk for further examples.<P>
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Postby Vulpix on Fri Apr 06, 2001 1:56 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Talbon:
<B>Okay couple of things Vulpix, as the artist of PDI. I do take offense, here's why.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm sorry you do.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Talbon:
<B>First, you posted this in Matt's forum, either you lack the intelligence or guts to post it in PDI's forum where it might be valid.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And let your godamn fanboys flame me with big 640x480 fuck off pictures? I have better sense than to do that.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Talbon:
<B>Second, you don't offer critque or what might change, you make a statement, don't back it up then shrug it off with 'maybe it's me'</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You want a statement? Sure thing, let's compare those two pictures:<P> <IMG SRC="http://sonicknight.virtualave.net/cartoon/pdi1.jpg"> <P> <IMG SRC="http://sonicknight.virtualave.net/cartoon/pdi2.jpg"> <P>Damn, what are they trying to express? I COULD NEVER TELL IF IT WASN'T FOR THE DAMN SPEECH BUBBLES. For the first one, is he genuinely no idea what's black and blah or is he trying to create a joke? Now compare it with the second picture. IT LOOKS THE SAME! GASP! If it wasn't for the love shapes around him, NO ONE COULD TELL HE'S BEING LUSTFUL FOR THE BRITNEY SPEARS ALBUM!<P>Again, I apologise if you can't take any godamn bit of criticism.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Talbon:
<B>To which the answer is, yes, it's you. Get a clue please. Not everyone will draw like you like. Just because your incapable of getting it doesn't mean it's lifeless or invalid. It's just you.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well I'll be damned if you read too deep into my comments. Or if you're trying to stuff words into my mouth. I didn't request for a change of your comic to suit me. I thought the art needed to have better facial expressions, that's all. I dare you to quote me any sentence which gave you the impression to change your art style to SUIT ME.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Talbon:
<B>So in closing, in the future, you feel the need to attack my art. Post it in the PDI forum okay?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No sir, this will be the first and my last time initiating any comments regarding your artwork.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Talbon:
<B>Anthony, annoyed at little gits who want to whine about a free service instead of going out and creating what they want to see. See lazy whining punk for further examples.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't see how that's a whine. Sorry if your interpretion skills are so different. And creating my own comic? Sorry, my interest isn't there. Why should I try creating my own comic if I'm simply not interested? WOW YOU LOSE.<P>[This message has been edited by Vulpix (edited 04-06-2001).]<p>[This message has been edited by Vulpix (edited 04-06-2001).]
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Postby Vulpix on Fri Apr 06, 2001 2:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDI:
<B>Yes. It is.<P>As the writer, not the artist, I do take offense. <P>How often do you post "good job" messages?<P>Dammit, you just pissed me off for the day.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This wasn't targeted at you. You did a pretty good job on the story lines.
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Postby Zapjones on Fri Apr 06, 2001 8:57 am

Hey, do you think Vulprick ( no offense ) reads Red Meat? That's a comic in papers like the Chicago Reader that seems to do fine with just pictures and words. <P>As far as Talbon's art goes, He's grown by leaps and bounds and is only getting better every day. I see those two pictures you posted as evidence of his fantastic consistency more than any lack of showing emotions. <P>Vulpix, I think you should go read Gravity instead of FCE or PDI. That guy is more suited to your ego.<P>KOWTLT
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Postby Talbon on Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:38 am

*blink* You didn't post in our Forum, because you knew it would get a response? ...
I can't decide between idiot or coward. Ok here we go.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vulpix:
<B>Am I the only one who thinks that you're drawing for the "sake of drawing" pictures for your stories?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This comment leans me a bit more towards 'your a total dumbass' category.<P>Are we drawing for the sake of drawing pictures for our stories... DUH! Get a clue, what the hell do you think comics are?
Thats like accusing us of ...<P>...<P>Gah, I can't even think of a more stupid example of what we could be doing. That is the absolute dumbest thing to accuse a cartoonist of! Vulpix: You're drawing pictures to go with your stories... wah. <P>This is like accusing an English Major of making sentences using words!!!<P>That's whining, not only is it whining, its whining from a dumbass who makes no sense.<P>But let's continue.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Your characters looks so lifeless, they look just like pictures</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They look just like pictures, ok I was wrong. The above statement wasn't the most stupid thing you could accuse us of. So does the fact that you can think of more idiotic statements than me make you a smarter person than me? Nah... I just think your a dumbass... once again. GET A CLUE!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Maybe because it's the way you draw? Anyway, I guess it's just me again.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmm, to answer this again, yes, it's just you.<P>In further note, no this isn't a critque. A Critque would have been posted in our Forum or mailed to us... Ohh I'm sorry, I just assumed your intelligent enough to use email.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Damn, what are they trying to express? I COULD NEVER TELL IF IT WASN'T FOR THE DAMN SPEECH BUBBLES. For the first one, is he genuinely no idea what's black and blah or is he trying to create a joke?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You can't get a really easy joke... so it must be the art... yeah... that's it. *nod*<P>You know what Vulpix, I want you to do me a favor, go outside your house, you know outside right?
That place you hardly ever see, find the line that connects you to the rest of the world and cut it.
Destroy your internet access!
Before you contaminate the rest of us.<P>This is for the worlds good.. ohh and please don't breed. Please? Pretty please?<P>------------------
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Postby PDI on Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:51 am

Damn.<P>There's very little I could add, except this: In a comic, the pictures illustrate the story. SO saying,"you're drawing for the 'sake of drawing' pictures for your stories" is really fairly meaningless.<P>Almost as meaningless as saying that the pictures look like pictures and that you can't understand what's going on without speech bubbles. It's not a silent film, and it's not a wacky over-the-top comic, the intent is semi-realism, so the eyes aren't going to bug out, the tongue isn't going to roll out onto the floor, and we rarely have things floating around the head. <P>When people smile, in different circumstances, it's a fairly subtle thing. I'm hoping you have better faculties fo recognizing this in the real world, or you'll find most people aren't cartoony enough for you to understand.<P>I don't want to clutter up Matt's forum with bitter acrimony, but I do have this parting wisdom: saying "no offense but..." never works. It means to me that you thought your statements might be offensive, so I read them that way. That's pretty much human nature.<P>And no, your original statement wasn't simply a critique, it was a criticism. Again, a subtle difference. <P>------------------
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Postby Phred on Sat Apr 07, 2001 1:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vulpix:
<B>And let your godamn fanboys flame me with big 640x480 fuck off pictures? I have better sense than to do that.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As one of the PDI (and I quote)
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Postby PDI on Sat Apr 07, 2001 8:24 am

What he said.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"><P>Let's talk about celery!
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Postby PDI on Thu Jan 17, 2002 11:09 am

*bump*<P>Chuckle, snort!<P>Ah, memories!<P>------------------
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Postby Typhin on Fri Jan 18, 2002 10:58 am

...I don't see what he's talking about. I don't have a problem reading PDI, I can see the facial expressions and everything perfectly well.<P>Try reading <a href="http://people.ne.mediaone.net/pshaughn/tandr.html">Triangle and Robert</a> some time. Then you'll *really* see lack of facial expression! ^_^<P>--Typhin, who once attempted a comic, but has since allowed it to fall by the wayside of No Update Road. May or may not create new comic to take its place...
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Postby Gilgamesh on Fri Jan 25, 2002 1:44 am

As a long time reader of PDI I can say I've never complained about the art style. Talbon can draw better than I can anyway. But I can also say I enjoy PDI, the art and the writing. But this kind of griping he did reminds me of this fact.<P>The British have a word that describes people who complain like this about everything....I believe the word is:<P>GIT!<P>
If you think about it the word can hold 2 meanings in the same sentance.<P>Like:<P>YOU GIT!<P>1. Calling the guy a Git
2. Telling the guy to GIT gone, before someone uses a table leg on him.<P>
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