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Honestly buying your own space is not that expensive. I pay $7 a month and I have more bandwith and diskspace than I know what to do with. Comic Genesis is ok when it is working but with stuff like project wonderful even the smallest comic earns about 5 cents per day with a banner ad and you can find a hosted space for as little as $3 per month. Hosted space that is always up and runing.

I would also like to extend the offer of a temporary home to anyone who needs it. I got tons of space and bandwith so as long as you are not a Sluggy Freelance I can handle it. I'll even set up Istrip for you to run your comic.

But really people should just go out there and get some space. It is very cheap.
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Use this time to build a buffer.

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I have a buffer, but it's not that kind of buffer.

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I have a buffet, does that count?
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Tyras what foodstuffs do you serve or plan to serve in your buffet?

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pierce studios wrote:Use this time to build a buffer.

See? Silver lining.
That's the plan, also these outages help to mask my horrendous update schedule...
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Honestly buying your own space is not that expensive. I pay $7 a month and I have more bandwith and diskspace than I know what to do with. Comic Genesis is ok when it is working but with stuff like project wonderful even the smallest comic earns about 5 cents per day with a banner ad and you can find a hosted space for as little as $3 per month.
Word on that.

I've actually been thinking about breaking out own my own anyway, and it may be bad etiquette to ask this here, but are there any particularly good paid hosts out there? I tried googling reviews but all of the top ten lists read like ads.

I've been leaning towards Lunarpages...any thoughts?

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K-Dawg wrote:The door is right over there, nobody is forcing you to stay.
Yes, expecting a service to work, free or not, is just ever so elitist. How dare people.
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*shrug*

the idea of useing a mirror site is a good one - but i dont feel like this is *that* big of a deal .. whats most likely the case is that the server and D-base is overloaded - and quite simply OLD

so , once they get this fixed then everything will be back to normal- save a few people gone - and hey if you know how to program great -
if you dont then your S. O. L. because i dont know OF ANY hosing service aside from Keen and CG that has this automated and simple to use -

so untill they say we are DONE - then im staying -
readers will understand there is a problem sense its affecting ALL of the CG comics ( not just a few or even just one ) besides if something goes wrong with a *paid* service then you STILL have to fic it your self they just dont give a damn ....

they seem to care here , and thats what i like -
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I don't have anything against Wolf and Kisai...they seem to genuinely be trying to do everything they can to make things work. The real problem is the fact that we're treated as the red-headed stepchild by the Keenspot owners. Comicgenesis could be so much more than it is, but they seem to be content to just let it decline into a mess of manfunctioning servers and websites.
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i like the idea of 99.9% uptime of a hosting service, but I don't like the idea of building my own forum, wiki, and/or hands-free update system. additionally... i like the cg community.

lots of people don't seem to realize that life goes on... a month from now the server issues will be resolved, page views will be back on the upswing, and we will once again take for granted things like a queue that's < 4,000.
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jameslong wrote:Lots of people don't seem to realize that life goes on... a month from now the server issues will be resolved, page views will be back on the upswing, and we will once again take for granted things like a queue that's < 4,000.
I wish people would stop implying anyone who complains is some hysterical fool...yes I know life goes on. It's still annoying to time and time again find my site down...I've spent hundreds if not over a thousands of hours on this comic strip. I've worked hard to build up my audience and so have a lot of other people (some harder than I have).

And there's no garauntee that a loyal fan who for weeks on end shows up to find your site down will ever come back, nor is there any garauntee that the problems with Comicgen will ever be fixed...they certainly won't if all anyone said in reaction to them was "oh well, it's free, I don't care!".

By the way, I've been here 3 years+ and this is the worst I've seen things...this isn't just "minor problems as usual".
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Jackhass wrote:
K-Dawg wrote:The door is right over there, nobody is forcing you to stay.
Yes, expecting a service to work, free or not, is just ever so elitist. How dare people.
Fantastic assumption there.
And there's no garauntee that a loyal fan who for weeks on end shows up to find your site down will ever come back, nor is there any garauntee that the problems with Comicgen will ever be fixed...they certainly won't if all anyone said in reaction to them was "oh well, it's free, I don't care!".
If this bothers you so much once again:
K-Dawg wrote:The door is right over there, nobody is forcing you to stay.
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K-Dawg wrote:If this bothers you so much once again:
K-Dawg wrote:The door is right over there, nobody is forcing you to stay.
"You don't like webhosts that malfunction and are down constantly?! What the hell is wrong with you...GET THE HELL OUT! We here are Comicgensis like our error pages, and anyone who politely complains THERE'S THE DOOR!"
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Jackhass wrote:
K-Dawg wrote:If this bothers you so much once again:
K-Dawg wrote:The door is right over there, nobody is forcing you to stay.
"You don't like webhosts that malfunction and are down constantly?! What the hell is wrong with you...GET THE HELL OUT! We here are Comicgensis like our error pages, and anyone who politely complains THERE'S THE DOOR!"
"I sure don't, that's why instead of complaining nice and politely I'm just gonna go pay my own money and get my own server so I don't have to deal with that...TO THE DOOR!"
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Jackhass wrote:"You don't like webhosts that malfunction and are down constantly?! What the hell is wrong with you...GET THE HELL OUT! We here are Comicgensis like our error pages, and anyone who politely complains THERE'S THE DOOR!"
Heh, that's half the reason I got the dedi - I got sick of webhosts screwing things up, refusing to fix the problems, and so forth. After three hosts, the same old crap gets boring.

Basically the thing's co-owned by me and a friend - we share the bills and get free reign to do what we like with our share of the system resources. Just I hate to see 25GB of free space doing foo' all. That and I like the challenge of managing a little server - 220+ days uptime, zero downtime during that time, no successful security violations in over a year. I think we're doing pretty well.

Actually, I think I've still got my "rapid start" copies of iStrip, WALRUS and CUSP set up - so if anyone wanted those setting up, I could do that (including porting Cgen templates over), and rig up FTP upload and automatic update too if anyone wanted that (iStrip defaults to web uploadm not sure about the other two). All adds to the challenge :)

I also don't give much of a hoot what gets uploaded as 'comic content' as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's copyright (read: MP3s/warez) or break some law or other. No ads either, unless you add your own. Like my sig says, "I'm here for the comics!"
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K-Dawg wrote:
Jackhass wrote:
K-Dawg wrote:If this bothers you so much once again:
"You don't like webhosts that malfunction and are down constantly?! What the hell is wrong with you...GET THE HELL OUT! We here are Comicgensis like our error pages, and anyone who politely complains THERE'S THE DOOR!"
"I sure don't, that's why instead of complaining nice and politely I'm just gonna go pay my own money and get my own server so I don't have to deal with that...TO THE DOOR!"
And what objection exactly do you have to polite complaints? Up until your rather rude door comments everyone was basically being as diplomatic and polite as possible.

Bottomline, all of us here are providing the Keen overlords with free content that they're making money off of...they run Comicgen at a profit, so we don't owe them any great debt of gratitude. If they were running Comicgen at a loss out of their pure love of webcomics, then yes, most of the complaining would be out of line, but they don't so it's not.

Acting like we have no right to complain about Comicgenesis going down would be like acting like nobody had the right to complain if suddenly Hotmail or something stopped working. Nobody would object to that though because everyone realizes that Hotmail is a business that makes a profit off their users and thus has an obligation to, you know, work correctly. Same deal here. As long as nobody's being abusive about it, there's no need for smart aleck putdowns when people are politely raising their concerns.
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i dont want to offend anyone here - i like a lot of the strips on here and other sites - BUT if you try to turn this into a "job" you might find the doing a lot more work than you wanted ...
This is very true. I'm breaking a little more than even, and it is a lot of work to set up and maintain a site/forum/etc. And, yeah, I did jump to my own hosting. However, that shift was made not just because of outages and downtimes (I actually moved over a month ago) but also because I wanted to have ultimate control over how my site was run, and what I could put on it, and to host what and where I wanted, including the ability to set up subdomains for other projects.

I do still keep a mirror here at CG, and I just try to update to it when it looks like the server is happy. Which, ultimately, makes me much happier, and less... irate when things go down. I also like the community here, which is why I'm still on the forums.
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drowemos wrote:Honestly buying your own space is not that expensive. I pay $7 a month and I have more bandwith and diskspace than I know what to do with. Comic Genesis is ok when it is working but with stuff like project wonderful even the smallest comic earns about 5 cents per day with a banner ad and you can find a hosted space for as little as $3 per month. Hosted space that is always up and runing.

I would also like to extend the offer of a temporary home to anyone who needs it. I got tons of space and bandwith so as long as you are not a Sluggy Freelance I can handle it. I'll even set up Istrip for you to run your comic.

But really people should just go out there and get some space. It is very cheap.
Actually, you're very right. This is an excellent idea and since reading this, I've begun contemplating about whether to buy space from a webhost. Most of the plans I've seen are roughly $6 per month, which is certainly not a financial strain by any means.

I've been somewhat indifferent about CG's downtime (mostly because I've been updating my comic's website anyway/working on a new idea), but it probably would be a good idea to have another website. I recently added my other artwork on my site and maybe it would be better if I had another repository for it. If CG continues to be down for an extended period of time, I will have no choice to do this because I'm trying to do freelance work and I need a website my clients can visit. (The only thing I would be concerned about is switching my domain name---http://www.somanylevelscomic.com---to that site, but I assume it would be worked out.) But I won't remove my comic from CG---it's way too convenient to give up and all of the administrators have been very helpful!

So, thanks to whoever posted this; I feel even more inspired! And to the administrators, thank you for your diligence and efforts regarding this problem!

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This hasn't been a good day in the webtoons industry.
Even OnlineComics.net is down (as of 410 PM PDT).
And DrunkDuck is still up! Even though 90% of their works are childish sprite comics with 3 pages at most.

Oh well, we need to boost our buffer anyway.

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