Would you mind NOT putting porno ads on my site?

[Jakkal]

Did you guys change your mind or what? Did my site suddenly turn NC17 and I didn't know it?

Why are those fucking hentai ads back?

[Zuri]

I'm seconding Jakkal on this. WTH? I know I'm not rated NC-17, I'd like to know why there is a hentai site ad on my site without any kind of warning. Surely there must be other advertisers out there than J-list.

[STrRedWolf]

Okay, folks. Kisai's just adjusted the newer Siteadmin to allow you to reset your comic rating. Please go through it -- it will set the AACP (Adopt-A-Censorship-Panda) and IRCA ratings on your site.

We will be issuing a release later today (I'm not sure when) about our ad plans and how the rating system will play into it.

[Churusaa]

There's a tag I can use to automatically insert the appropriate MissMab panda on my site?
Kick Freakin' ass!
Now if I only knew what the tag was...

[Mercury Hat]

I think Kelly just meant that you could rate your site according to the Panda guidelines--i.e. Web PG, Web 14, etc--in the new siteadmin, now. Previously you could only change your comic's rating in the old siteadmin.

If you want the actual image, you'll still have to upload it and put it in yourself.

[STrRedWolf]

Merc got it in one. You still have to put the image there... but that's a good idea. I'll check with Amber about that.

[Reinder]

I'm no fan of content ratings, but the idea of automagically enabling censorship Pandas when people want them is indeed brilliant and kickass. Kudos also to STRRedwolf for picking up that ball and running with it.

[Churusaa]

Yeah, I like that idea alot. I use Amber's Pandas on my site on every page. That would rock out loud to have a tag that updates automagically based on your rating, that way your archives keep the same rating as the rest of your comic without having to edit your template files.
-I'm really glad that came up!
---Churusaa

[Reinder]

Well, let's think about that a little more. One of the things I don't like about online ratings systems is that they're typically set up on a site-wide basis. Basically, if one episode has sex in it, your entire site is rated the equivalent of NC-17.
One theoretical advantage of building ratings into the site control panel could be to enable it on a per-storyline basis, so that one story with more mature content could be given a different rating, and easy links to the next story with a lesser rating could be offered.

Now, I'm not saying that the admins should rush out and implement it that way, today. Not my place to tell them that, and besides I'm pretty sure that because of how ComicGen is set up (there is no real database record of storylines within a comic, just a text file with pointers that can be turned into URLs at update time, if I remember correctly), it can't be done yet anyway... but it's something to keep in mind in case the whole codebase ever gets rewritten, or if a third party comes up with a new comic archiving system.

[STrRedWolf]

Now, I'm not saying that the admins should rush out and implement it that way, today. Not my place to tell them that, and besides I'm pretty sure that because of how ComicGen is set up (there is no real database record of storylines within a comic, just a text file with pointers that can be turned into URLs at update time, if I remember correctly), it can't be done yet anyway... but it's something to keep in mind in case the whole codebase ever gets rewritten, or if a third party comes up with a new comic archiving system.

There are a few ways of doing it, but if your comic's storylines have simliar names (like YYYYMMDD-storyline-number.png) I think I can bash together something for WolfKeen.

[Kisai]

I'm no fan of content ratings, but the idea of automagically enabling censorship Pandas when people want them is indeed brilliant and kickass. Kudos also to STRRedwolf for picking up that ball and running with it.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT I BASED THE RATINGS OFF MAB'S RATINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN IT WAS BACK ON KEENSPACE RIGHT??????

I'm not upset. No Just that is the original basis. The MabsLab Censorship Pandas.

The sub-ratings were based off ICRA. There are also rating keywords which were in the old siteadmin which were too much hassle to get working right which were based off last version of ICRA.


B T W:

If you set your site to "NO RATING", then anything will be advertised, Like DVD's, NO Rating means that it can be anything.

The J-list ads appear on MA and NC17 sites
The J-list ads will not appear on anything under 14. These run the regular ads that nobody seems to click on.

Changes to the rating system in relation to the ads take place at midnight Pacific, no sooner

BTW, if you have ever clicked on the ads, you'll notice that there is an entrance page that directs you to jlist if you select "18 or older" or j-box if you select "under 18 or I don't want to see adult material"

And yes, there are other advertisers than j-list, but they are the ones that launch flash pop-ups. Or at least this is what I've been told.



EDIT:

Apparently if you select "unrated", the rating page malfunctions and shows everything twice, unfortunately, this is undefined behavior and I may need to delete the unrated rankings.

[Gildedtongue]

I'm no fan of content ratings, but the idea of automagically enabling censorship Pandas when people want them is indeed brilliant and kickass. Kudos also to STRRedwolf for picking up that ball and running with it.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT I BASED THE RATINGS OFF MAB'S RATINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN IT WAS BACK ON KEENSPACE RIGHT??????

I'm not upset. No Just that is the original basis. The MabsLab Censorship Pandas.

The sub-ratings were based off ICRA. There are also rating keywords which were in the old siteadmin which were too much hassle to get working right which were based off last version of ICRA.


B T W:

If you set your site to "NO RATING", then anything will be advertised, Like DVD's, NO Rating means that it can be anything.

The J-list ads appear on MA and NC17 sites
The J-list ads will not appear on anything under 14. These run the regular ads that nobody seems to click on.

Changes to the rating system in relation to the ads take place at midnight Pacific, no sooner

BTW, if you have ever clicked on the ads, you'll notice that there is an entrance page that directs you to jlist if you select "18 or older" or j-box if you select "under 18 or I don't want to see adult material"

And yes, there are other advertisers than j-list, but they are the ones that launch flash pop-ups. Or at least this is what I've been told.



EDIT:

Apparently if you select "unrated", the rating page malfunctions and shows everything twice, unfortunately, this is undefined behavior and I may need to delete the unrated rankings.

So, basic solution for comic writers, you don't like the ads, rate your comic. *nods*

[Jakkal]

Rating your comic doesn't work. I've toggled between all the options. Ran updates. Ran full updates.

I'm just this -> || short of removing the ads from my site completely.

Black Tapestries got fixed last night when Kisai herself took a peek at the account. But Kaerwyn's comic (kaerwyn.comicgenesis.com) still has them. Kaerwyn was rated Mature. I changed it to PG, I changed it to G. I turned Opt out on and off, and every other change that is to be made in the ratings. The last thing I did was run a full update after changing it to G. Nothing, still getting naked anime chicks porking each other on my site.

I don't care about having ads on my site. But BY GOD this is NOT what I want to see on there. Agreement or not, I'm not going to keep ads on my site so long as there are hentai porno ads on there. Kick me off if you hafta. I'm about done.

[STrRedWolf]

I'm not going to claim what Kisai did as my own. It's her code, dammit!

Anyway, I have to bug Kisai about how often the ad list updates.

[Kisai]

Rating your comic doesn't work. I've toggled between all the options. Ran updates. Ran full updates.

I'm just this -> || short of removing the ads from my site completely.

Black Tapestries got fixed last night when Kisai herself took a peek at the account. But Kaerwyn's comic (kaerwyn.comicgenesis.com) still has them. Kaerwyn was rated Mature. I changed it to PG, I changed it to G. I turned Opt out on and off, and every other change that is to be made in the ratings. The last thing I did was run a full update after changing it to G. Nothing, still getting naked anime chicks porking each other on my site.

I don't care about having ads on my site. But BY GOD this is NOT what I want to see on there. Agreement or not, I'm not going to keep ads on my site so long as there are hentai porno ads on there. Kick me off if you hafta. I'm about done.

Cool your jets.

There are TWO pieces of code you need to look at.
ONE: The system updates the ad database at midnight , no amount of updates or changes up to then will have an effect
TWO: There is an OPT-OUT flag on the bottom, this will run a different set of code for MA ratings.

DO - NOT - rate your comic lower than it really is just to get out of the advertisements.

[Gav]

Okay, looks like this got launched before I had a chance to make the announcement...


OFFICIAL KEENSPOT ANNOUNCEMENT

As you all know, ComicGenesis is a free service we provide to all webcartoonists, paid for by running advertising on your sites. However, most advertisers, short of pornography sites, will not allow advertising to appear on "mature" content. We at Keenspot do not wish to turn anyone away, and have, in the past, simply paid the bandwidth bill for more mature sites (rated MA or NC-17) on which advertising is prohibited. In the interest of continuing to provide all our users with free services, we have endevoured to sell advertising of an appropriate nature to the content of these sites.

Recently, we have sold a "persistent" ad from J-List to appear on all our NC-17 and MA rated sites only. This is not a pornographic ad, nor does it advertise a pornographic site. It advertises a site that sells all forms of Japanese products, some of which are meant for more mature consumers. The ad banners contain no adult content.

We are offering the option to "opt out" of running these ads on your site if your site is rated "MA." Keep in mind that Keenspot will continue to pay for the cost of hosting your site if you opt out. However, your comic will be in no danger of removal.

Please ensure that your site is correctly rated. Do not lower your rating to prevent the ad from running. Use the "opt out" option instead.

We're happy to be able to continue to provide ComicGenesis as a free service for all webcartoonists, regardless of content. Thank you, as always, for hosting your creation with us.


Kisai has provided technical details on implementation of these options. You may direct all further non-technical inquires directly to me via this forum thread. Do not bother Kisai or Kelly with discussion of Keenspot's policy decisions.

[Gav]

How are things going, advertising-wise? I was doing a bit of maintenance on my comicgenesis site and I noticed a lot of "Please advertise here" in the banner spot. How can creators help you fill those spots?

Advertising continues to be the best method of paying the bills.

You can refer advertisers to us if you like. They can inquire at sales[at]keenspot.com. Note that we do not usually target ads to specific ComicGenesis sites. The effort is simply usually not worth the return. Of course, we would make an exception for a large ad buy on a high-traffic site.

And yes, there are other advertisers than j-list, but they are the ones that launch flash pop-ups. Or at least this is what I've been told.

J-List is not running pop-ups, actually. The ads are simply jpegs.

The reason they are running exclusively at the moment is because I sold them a "persistent" ad. They have paid us a flat rate for the ad to run with every pageview for a certain number of months.

We may, in the future, sell additional advertising on the "mature" sites in this manner. In no case will we sell ads with mature content in the ads themselves, or to pornographic sites.

[Kris X]

By opt-out you mean no ad tags on the site? How does that work?

Perhaps I misread.

[Cope]

I think opt-out means you run the normal ads from burstnet (the ones for free emoticons and insurance and stuff).

[Reinder]

Put that way... there's no real point in opting out, is there?
At least some of the audience will be interested in J-list stuff. *leaves comics unrated*